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    November 28, 2012
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to the soccer team, take them tomorrow. yolanda, i think it is great. it gives people a little bit of hope and fun. so you do a wonderful job. congratulations. and thank you for joining us. >> absolutely, thank you so much. good luck. >> thank you. i need it. that is it for us tonight, "ac360" starts right now. we begin the way anderson does every night, keeping them honest, not choosing sides or playing political favorites, there is plenty of that on the other cable news channels. we're interested in facts, our goal is to show them to you honestly. so tonight, the facts about taxes that the majority of americans established on election day, and an even bigger endorsed in the polling. a leading republican lawmaker is on board. they now agree with the president who wants to let taxes go up on income, more than a quarter of a million a year.
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if mr. obama and the democrats get their way, doing the deal to avoid raising the rates and avoiding the fiscal cliff, where all tax cuts and brakes expire at the end of the year. that is an election, popular at the end of the year, certainly give president obama a lot of clout right now. you can disagree or agree with the policy. that is for you to decide. republican tom cole of oklahoma happens to disagree strongly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january one, and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all the taxpayers. >> in my view, we agree we're not going to raise taxes on people that make more than $250,000, we should just take them out of this discuss right now. continue to fight against any rate increases and continue to fight for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole joins us,
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the staunchly conservative editorial page of "the wall street journal is on board now. president obama's re-election means that taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. the question is how republicans should handle this reality. congressman cole as you heard, a number of other conservatives, they believe they should give this one to the president. not because they want to, but because they have to. republican leaders, though, they disagree. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. it will hurt small businesses, hurt our economy, it is why this is not the right approach. >> now, you can disagree or agree with that position. however, keeping them honest, house speaker john boehner and other top republicans have been trying to justify it, in part by playing down the fact that
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president obama and democrats got a significant boost from voters. >> in politics, there is always a temptation among those who win office to think that they have a mandate to do what they will. >> i don't think so, because they also reelected the house republicans. so whether people intend it or not, we have got divided government. >> the american people have also made clear that there is no mandate for raising tax rates. >> keeping them honest, president obama campaigned and won on letting taxes go up for the top earners. so his victory throws a little cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and the house, and recent cnn polling shows that more than two in three people support tax hikes for the wealthy. it is a reality that republicans will be dealing with from now until new year's day. joining us now, congressman tom cole from oklahoma. he is a republican, thank you
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for joining us. >> well, thank you. >> you're proposal that republicans should agree with democrats in extending the tax breaks for those making 250,000 there's a year or less, deal with that later, that is the proposal a lot of republicans are resisting, what is the reaction you get? >> oh, i think the reaction is mixed. some support it, some don't. i think have have more questions about it. look it is simple. i don't believe in raising tax rates for anybody, bad for the economy and bad creation, ultimately by slowing down growth, cuts revenue. and i think the president needs to come to the table with real spending restraint and tax reform. having agreed with that, if we agree that taxes shouldn't go up on the people, shouldn't we set that aside. i think they will listen to us, we'll win the argument.
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putting people at risk when we agree their taxes shouldn't go up, is something in my opinion we shouldn't do. >> speaker john boehner told republicans they need to stick to their positions, the tax rates should remain frozen. i guess they believe, and a lot of republicans say if you do what you're suggesting, you will lose a lot of leverage as far as spending cuts and entitlement cuts are concerned. how do you respond to it? >> well, i respect that, i don't agree with it. you don't use the american people as a hostage in a negotiating type of situation. this is really the leverage for the democrats, not the republicans in this. again, my advice was given privately at a whip meeting, i was asked what i thought. asked a couple of things later. my position has not changed, somebody leaked it. i'm happy to talk about it. that is my point of view, the speaker will negotiate with the president, it will be a tough deal. i supported him every time he asked us to make a tough deal, i'll do that. i have a lot of confidence in
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him as a negotiator. when i am asked my opinion, i say let's protect the american people, continue the fight. >> is this an idea you're totally committed to, and ready to fight, in spite of the fact of the feelings your getting from your own party, including grover norquist? >> i admire him, i signed the pledge, i'm honored to do it. i don't think in this case we'll break or make what are temporary tax cuts permanent. i want to make all of them permanent, quite frankly. this is a debate about political tactics, not a difference about political theology, that is where we differ with the democr democrats. if we can get 80% of the tax rates for the american people person, i think we should do that, and fight for the rest. >> i spoke to grover norquist, he opposes anything along the
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lines of allowing a debate to go forward next year over the 2%, the 3%, the richest, those making over $250,000. >> well, look, grover norquist is my friend. we talk political strategy and politics all the time. this was my position, it was given in private. when it was asked, it was leaked by somebody, that is fine, i won't say anything different to you than my constituency in oklahoma, i am one voice, not king of the universe, i support the speaker. they're trying to do the right thing. i think in this case the democrats and the president are trying to use the tax issue. instead, they ought to be coming to the table with real spending cuts and entitlement reform and real congressman proposals, so far they haven't done it. >> congressman tom cole, thank you for joining us. >> wolf, thank you.
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joining us now, republican senator, rand paul of kentucky. thank you. let's get to the fiscal cliff. the president set the deal, over the next decade. are there specific ways of reaching that figure that both of you might agree on? >> well, you know, i think one compromise i agree with the democrats on, we need to cut the military spending. so i think the compromise, the conservatives like myself that think the national defense is important, should compromise on the military spending, and liberals should compromise on the welfare. >> and both sides are going to have to compromise on this, beyond defense spending is there any other compromise that you could see you supporting? >> well, it mostly has to be to me on the spending side. we used to spend about 20% of gdp, we're now spending 25% of gdp. so federal spending has gone up in an alarming rate in the last
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four years. and when people come to me and say oh, we just have to raise taxes on rich people. one, there is not enough money. and two, you often find when you raise rates you get less revenue. and sometimes you find when you lower rates you get more revenue. >> what do you make of your fellow republican tom cole's proposal that republican lawmakers should extend the tax rates for those making $250,000 a year or less, that is about 98% of americans, before the end of this year, and deal with the tax rates for the wealthiest americans at a later date? >> once you separate them out, there is not a lot of sympathy for rich people. they say oh, let's get the rich people. but the public doesn't already realize that the rich people are paying most of the income tax. top 1% of them pay most of the income tax. so when the president says raise taxes on them, but i want to raise it on 40% of the nation's income. i think it is a mistake, if it
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is bad to raise taxes on everybody, it is also bad to raise taxes on 40% of the income. better to leave it in the hands of the people who earned it, leave it in kentucky, and the private sector. >> i understand you don't want to raise taxes on rich, middle class, or anyone. but what about capping deductions, loopholes, stuff like that, are you open to that? >> yes, if it is part of tax reform. and that is why it is not going to happen in this. if we were to lower rates, for example, you could lower the top rate from 35 to 33 and actually get more revenue and get rid of some more deductions at the same time. but i'm not going to vote to bring more revenue to washington. i want less money coming to washington, less money spent up here. and that is how you get the economy to grow. we're not going to have more economic growth. if we send more money to washington, we'll have less economic growth. >> if all the republicans hold firm to that position, you just spelled out in significant detail, there is not going to be a deal, you know, between now
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and december 31st. and all americans, for all practical purposes, middle class, rich, they're all going to see their tax rates going up starting january 31st. how are you going to feel about that? >> well, the thing is, last year we did make a deal. the president came forward, said when you have sluggish growth, about 2%, raising taxes is a bad deal. why would raising taxes be a good idea now? if it was a bad idea last year it is still a bad idea. while i do think there is room for compromise, i don't think one person gets to define where the compromise is. >> senator, the administration, the president who was re-elected, impressive electoral college win, got the majority votes by a million, he ran on the notion of raising taxes on the wealthiest americans. i suspect he will probably hold firm on that, we'll see what happens in the next three or four weeks, because the clock is
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ticking. anything else you want to leave us with? >> no, but as long as we are spending money on robots, squirrels, don't raise any taxes. >> okay, hey, senator, thank you very much. let us know what you think. you can follow us on twitter, up next, yet another twist in the administration, to explain what happened the night that the four americans died in libya, and the attempt to explain it. the controversy in libya may have sunk a little bit deeper today. retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ if you're a man with low testosterone, you should know that axiron is here.
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keeping them honest now in the libya tragedy, and the obama administration's blurry account of it after the fact. four americans died there, and there are plenty of questions about what went wrong. for now, though, most of the attention is focused on the messaging afterwards. another scorching day for one of the chief messengers, susan rice. just a day after iraqi session
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with senators john mccain, lindsey graham, kelly ayotte, she met with another republican senator, susan collins of maine. >> i continue to be troubled by the fact that the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a political role at the height of the contentious presidential election campaign, by agreeing to go on the sunday shows, to present the administration's position. >> this is what she is talking about, one of several appearances ambassador rice made five days after the consulate killings. >> our current assessment is that what happened in benghazi was in fact, initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo. what we think, then, transpired in benghazi is the extremist elements came to the consulate,
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as this was unfolding. >> notice the phrase "extremist elements." we since learned that ambassador rice was speaking to talking points, regarding jihadist groups, including a local al-qaeda affiliate. the intelligence community was said to have made the edit. michael morrell told senators the fbi was responsible. then later, cia officials contacted the senators and said the acting director misspoke, and it was actually the cia that changed the talking points. as we said last night, it is a bit of a mess and a real headache for president obama who defended susan rice today but did not mention libya. >> all right, guys, thank you. we want to get back to work. >> mr. president, can you care to -- >> thank you so much, guys. >> can you tell us about that? >> susan rice is extraordinary.
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couldn't be prouder of the job that she has done. >> here to talk about it, the former cia officer, he is a senior fellow at the defense of democracies, also joining us, national security contributor, fran townsend, president bush's homeland security adviser. currently sits on the advisory committee. fran, you have been at a white house when a nominee or potential nominee has been in trouble. you know what a high stakes meeting this was, yesterday, between ambassador rice and three of her toughest critics. usually a lot of preparation goes into a meeting like this. and it makes me all the more surprised that the acting director, cia director, michael morrell, first saying the fbi changed the talking points. then calling the senators back later and saying it was actually
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the cia that took out the references to al-qaeda. even if was an innocent mistake it sort of adds fuel to the fire, doesn't it? >> that is right, wolf, and the event took place on september 11th. mistakes in the first few days, early days are understandable because of the fog of war and conflicting reports. you can sort of excuse that. but this far later it is really unfortunate. look, mike morrell, the acting director of the cia, had been senate-confirmed as the deputy. prior to this, he is a career officer, very well respected. i imagine he is furious at having made the mistake, and having been given bad information. but there really is no excuse for it across the administration, this late in the game for these meetings -- that were so critically important to be making those kind of mistakes now. >> and roule, you say it is not an insignificant mistake that mike morrell made?
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>> no, i don't think so, the administration got itself into a lot of trouble, particularly ambassador rice got herself into a lot of unnecessary trouble. just being so assertive on television, and denying the possibility that you had an organized terrorist attack in benghazi. and i think the narratives of cairo got conflicted with the narratives in benghazi. and if ambassador rice and others in the organization had just been a little less determined to say that this well-known video now was behind it all, i think this problem never would have happened. >> reuel, as for those talking points that were used by ambassador rice, subject as you know of great, great contention. there is still a number of unanswered questions. as a former cia officer you say her performance raises a red flag that officials are supposed to analyze this information for themselves. but isn't there a danger in having a political appointee
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like a u.s. ambassador, in a sense, freelancing, when critical material is concerned. >> i don't think so, i think ambassador rice could have easily said we may have had an organized terrorist group that may have had affiliated with al-qaeda behind the attack in benghazi. i don't think it would have been compromising any sensitive information. i think the administration has used that as an excuse, and it really -- you know, america has a lot of overclassifying, that is one reason there are adults that are supposed to be able to handle this. and i don't think it would have been that difficult for her to somewhat give a more nuance discussion of what really transpired in benghazi. >> fran, you dealt with classified and unclassified
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talking points when you served at the white house, do you agree with rueul? >> well, those that drafted these talking points, perhaps the intelligence community will prepare the individual going out on the sunday show, especially if they're doing multiple shows, to understand where the lines here. we don't know if it happened here. if it didn't, it certainly should have. it leads to what rueul is saying, you learn how to make arguments so that you don't cross classification lines. this was just poorly handled, the talking points poorly coordinated. she went out there making it sound crystal clear. i think she was both poorly served. and then she didn't really use the talking points she was given in the way she might have, to get to rueel's point. >> and fran, you were there, before the attack on benghazi. you were warned that al-qaeda
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was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you make about the reference to al-qaeda, those that were deleted? >> well, if these talking points went to multiple agencies, probably a dozen agencies and dozens of people touched them. and nobody ever really took final responsibility for clearing them. it is a sort of typical bureaucracy fumble. the important thing, what we're talking about, while we continue to talk about the talking points, what has been lost in this. what you say, prior to this event it was clear the terrorists were gaining a foothold in eastern libya. and why wasn't more done to give them the protection that they needed at the benghazi compound? this substance was lost, in the debate on the talking points, and that is the important issue to me. >> thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. rebel fighters in syria
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claiming a major victory. they say they have shot down three regime military aircraft in the past 24 hours, including a mig fighter jet. if it is true, the military may be taking hits from its own weapons. cnn's arwa damon is on scene, and joins us next. ♪
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. in syria, new signs tonight that the regime is now being battered with its own weapons. opposition fighters say they shot down three syria military aircraft in the past three hours. here is arwa damon, rebels claim this was the fighter jet they brought down. this is in aleppo province, that
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video shot. this shows a helicopter they claim they shot down with a missile. it appears to take a direct hit. there it is, cnn can't verify if it is authentic. they captured a number of bases recently. arwa damon visited the area, and saw for herself, the weapons seized. arwa damon joins us now, arwa, opposition fighters claim they shot down three syrian military aircraft in the past 24 hours. you went to the scene of one of the crashes today. tell our viewers what you saw. >> reporter: in the past 24 hours, certainly this was pretty dramatic development, wolf, given the complaints that they had was that they didn't have the capability to take on the assad regime air power. we went to the scene where the
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fighter jet was down earlier. we saw the burnt wreckage standing quite a distance, being picked through by villagers, young and old alike, enjoying the fact that they were finally able to see something that caused them so many nightmares because of the jets pounding, the helicopters pounding the very villages, towns and cities, nonstop, now becoming trophies of war that they were proudly showing off. we saw children on the back of a tractor, taking off on a sizeable lump of metal. we saw one man who said he was an eyewitness to everything. he said the crash happened in the middle of an olive grove. he said the two pilots ejected. he said they found one pilot unconscious with a head injury and are actually looking for the second pilot right now. >> you also, arwa, went to a
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former syrian air force base, headquarters, if you will, that was seized by the rebels. the weapons confiscated. what did the officers tell you there? >> reporter: well, it was actually because of this they were able to bring down the jet and two other aircrafts, which were two helicopters. this basis massive. i mean, it spans as far as the eye can see. there was an incredibly intense battle that took place there 24 hours, that was actually after the rebels laid siege to the base for two months. they managed to clear the base of the assad loyalists and fighters. they then positioned snipers around the base, preventing, they were telling us, regime helicopters from bringing in supplies and food. they were forced to air drop supplies to this unit that was trying to keep a grip on the base. but often times they would leave
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supplies, when they felt the enemy was weak enough that is when they finally moved in. and they're telling us they captured a treasure trove of weapons here, machine guns, ak-47. but most importantly, the aircraft missiles, they say they found hundreds of them. even though they're not all functioning. in fact, there was video on t e youtube right after it took place, of anti-aircraft, and missiles, they had the advantage simply because of the sheer size of the arsenal, many say the balance is shifting. >> is there a sense, that one of the sides, the regime, the opposition has the upper hand where you are right now in syria? >> reporter: the rebels are
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slowly, slowly gaining ground. but at the same time, they have the advantage of the military, the arsenal, and one thing that has been resonating, that is that the longer assad stays in power, the greater the strength is going to grow of the extremists that have managed to implement themselves on the fringes of the opposition, and elements of al-qaeda, as well. >> very disturbing development. arwa, stay safe over there, thank you. could be the largest case of medicare fraud ever, a dialysis company accused of throwing away medicine worth hundreds of millions of dollars with taxpayers footing the bill. keeping them honest, next. plus, in-branch seminars at over 500 locations, where our dedicated support teams help you know more so your money can do more. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our teams have the information you want
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fresen taxes, authorities take steps to seize the polygamist ranch used by warren jeffs. why they're making the move, when "ac360" continues.
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tonight, we're keeping them honest with an example of just how much money can be made
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treating second americans. in downtown denver, a company called davita just moved into this brand-new $101 million office tower, complete with fountains, gardens, even a suspended ski gondola inside for private meetings. so what does davita do? it runs dialysis clinics across the state, over $7 billion. a guy that dresses like one of the three musketeers, lives by the slogan "one for all, all for one." and leads his employees, he calls villagers, in cheers. >> it is so good to get out of that ceo costume and back in my regular clothes. >> ken theory is his name, and with an estimated $15 million a year, the wall street journal says he is the best compensated
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ceo in colorado. so why should you care? because most of his company's revenue comes from a single source. taxpayers, moe than two thirds of davita's revenue comes from medicare payments. which is why you're about to hear how he has been billing the government, the allegations are so alarming. if the allegations are true, they threw away hundreds of millions worth of medicine, and you paid for it. here is drew griffin. >> reporter: it was just by chance the medical director at the dialysis clinics in georgia was discussing clinic procedures with one of the nurses, danielle barber, and the two saw something they believed was very wrong. medicine, lots of it, was being tossed in the trash. and the clinic workers were being told to do it. >> when we sat down and we started to talk about it, and getting into details we actually
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realized exactly what is going on. >> reporter: the alleged waste was being carried out on a massive scale, and the nurse and doctors say they knew almost immediately just why. they claim it was a way for their company, davita, to defraud the government, over-bill medicaid and medicare, and make a fortune. >> we're talking about a huge amount of money. >> we're talking about hundreds of millions, easily. of the profits that this company raped from these schemes, from the two drugs, hundreds of millions. >> reporter: and because we're talking about defrauding medicaid and medicare, that is hundreds of millions that you, the taxpayers, pay for. they saw the alleged fraud was going on at the company's clinics all over the country, more than 1800 of them, with tens of thousands of patients. multiply the numbers, the doctor says it was all a deliberate
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strategy. >> absolutely, it was just a scheme to fraudulently increase and maximumize the medicare revenue and payments, and therefore increase the revenue. >> reporter: here is how the doctor said davita instructed the nurses to give a 100 milligram dose. >> this is iron. >> how much is this? >> that is 100 milligrams, for example, if a patient requires this once a week, you charge medicare for 100 m. what they did, instead of this 100, they gave 50 million out of the vial, residual, trash, so essentially, two vials, you have one, that could have been more
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waste. >> reporter: the more vials davita used, the more they billed the government. the two tried to call attention to the massive waste and tried to get it stopped. but they say they were basically told to stop causing trouble themselves and continue to follow the company's protocols. >> that is what upset me the most. and that is when i went to the doctor and said i can't do that. >> reporter: barber said he quit his job and left the clinic, rather than continue where fraud was going on. the doctor claims the clinic punished him for speaking up. >> of course, once they found out they did not renew my medical directorship. and it was a significant loss of revenue. >> reporter: today, both men have filed a whistle-blower lawsuit under the u.s. false claims act, on behalf of the
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u.s. government, charging davita with massive medicare fraud. they stand to make millions if they're found guilty. they refused to talk, but the attorney did. >> the allegations were simple, that davita was being paid to throw away medicine, and came up with schemes, as the plaintiffs called it, grids to maximumize the profits, what are their claims? >> well, that is just wrong, if you look at the facts of the case, first of all, the doctors make dosing decisions. when you look at what the practices were, decisions were being made by doctors based on what was in the best interest of their patients. and they took into account a variety of things. you can't just look at you know, one issue, you have to look at things like infection control. what the patient is going to do, how the patient is going to do with particular doses. and so during that entire time,
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what we did, what the doctors did was appropriate. >> but other companies, including davita's main competitor used smaller vials, smaller combinations, limiting what was thrown away. davita only reiterated to us the decision to throw away medicine was for sound clinical reasons and never to increase wastage. the attorneys who claim davita made as much as $800 million over-billing the government say that defense won't hold up in court. >> it is not just the taxpayers that are the victims here. it is the health care system. >> it doesn't take a graduate degree to understand what is going on here. this is just dishonesty. >> davita denies that and vows to fight this case in a georgia court. but earlier this year in texas, though denying it did anything wrong, davita settled a similar
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case for $50 million. one watchdog against fraud says that the bigger problem is even if a company gets caught cheating the government, the company executives never seem to face punishment. fines are paid, business continues, as usual. >> the way it is set up right now, is if the fraud is not caught then taxpayers foot the bill. if the fraud is caught, stockholders foot the bill. >> they're arguing for much harder treatment when companies are found to defraud the government. he points to records, particularly in the pharmaceutical business, that are paid, the companies don't get punished and continue to do business with the federal government. in fact, the federal government has declined itself to charge the company with wrongdoing, even after reviewing the fraud allegations. >> the government has come in and thoroughly investigated what the allegations are, and in both
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cases the government decided to drop it. and move on. >> the u.s. attorney did decline to prosecute the case, but says the decision should not be construed as a statement about the merits of the case. >> the u.s. department of justice simply doesn't have the people. >> reporter: pat burn says the short-staffed u.s. department of justice declines to join lawsuits all the time. instead allowing private citizens who hire private lawyers to essentially prosecute for the government. which brings us back to one doctor and one nurse who stand to make millions if those allegations of fraud are proven true. the biggest winners, though, in their lawsuit could be taxpayers. the u.s. government will recover the bulk of whatever they win. they and others like them are essentially the u.s. taxpayer's deputies in the fight against health care fraud. >> are you surprised that you guys have to defend the u.s. taxpayer? >> not the u.s. government? >> knocking on this door? >> i'm not surprised.
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it is not easy to come up -- come forward, and stand up and tell the truth. but it is the right thing to do. >> their case, set for trial later this year. >> drew griffin joins us now, drew, is there a chance that davita just settles this case, like the ones they settled in texas, and then just put all of these allegations behind them and continue to do business with the federal government? >> you know, the attorney could not rule that out, but insists this time the company will fight the allegations. and as for continuing to do business with the federal government, that is the bread and butter of their business, more than two thirds of the revenue comes from treating patients on medicare and medicaid, so they need the government. and wolf, they will most likely do everything they can to keep the contract in place so that it keeps working. >> yet, even with all that money at stake and the fraud allegations, why don't they take it up with the government and
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say that is proof there is no case? >> that is a fair question to ask, where are the government's lawyers? i don't know the answer here, the attorneys in georgia would be the ones to push the case. they set aside six million to basically fight the case, but the u.s. attorney decides not to intervene, does that mean she thinks it is a bad call? they state the lack of prosecution should have no bearings on the merits of the case. and a reminder, wolf, if these two guys win, the doctor and nurse win, whatever settlement they do get the biggest winner of the settlement will be the federal government. >> drew griffin reporting for us, thank you, drew, very much for the report? we'll continue to monitor it and see what happens. 57 years after albert
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genius. they showed the cerebral cortex, you can imagine the fascination that sanjay gupta, our medical correspondent learned. what can you tell, sanjay, about the brain? well, let's take a look at some of the images over here, and pay close attention to the ridges and valleys, if you will, of the brain. this develops as the brain develops and can even change as somebody goes through their life. what we notice in einstein's brain in particular, there are a lot of convolutions, and compared to a lot of people at his age when they died, more ridges and valleys. and that is important, wolf, because you have more surface area to the brain, which means more neurons. and what is really fascinating, that doesn't indicate necessarily that somebody is going to be more intelligent.
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but what it means, more likely, they have the capacity for it. >> how else does einstein's brain differ from most people's? >> keep in mind, it is hard to determine the difference, but take a look at the split in the frontal lobe, that is unusual. we don't know exactly for sure what it means. but we do know the part of the brain is responsible for executive decision-making, responsible for judgment. responsible for actually getting tasks done. so somebody, if they're a great thinker, but never actually act on those thoughts. and maybe, the world may have never known. also one more look, the back of the brain now, the parietal lobes, there is a black, notice they're different. everybody has a little variation, but in einstein, it was quite different. the right side, that is the side
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responsible for spatial relations, that is the area where the brain it is done. and in einstein's case, it was quite large compared to other brains examined. >> fascinating stuff. sanjay, is there anything about his brain that has implications for mere mortals like us? >> i thought about that a lot. i think the one thing that is interesting, the idea is, are you born with it or do you develop it? you can ask the same question when it comes to his brain. i'll tell you, when you look at the image, especially in the middle of the brain on the left side you see sort of an upside down horseshoe area, wolf, that is the area responsible for your motor control. for example. and in this case, somebody who has really fine dexterity there, has more developed brain there we know he was a musician, that is so important, he couldn't have been born with that.
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he became a progressively better musician, that part of his brain changes, the most remarkable thing. >> and sanjay, as all of you know is a neurosurgeon, so has a lot of experience with brains, thank you very much. >> any time, thank you. >> he is also a very smart guy. let's look at some of the other stories, isha has a "ac360." and the woman charged with the killing of two children has pled not guilty. ortega has been accused of killing the children. when the mother came home, she found the children dead and saw ortega stab herself. and warren jeffs, serving a life sentence on sexual assault charges, the attorney general has started proceedings to seize the ranch where prosecutors say jeffs and others sexually abused other children. and the odds of winning in the powerball, one in odds of
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